说起来，the Grand 2的音色究竟对不对劲？

moontoad

The Grand 2的默认设置，在踩下踏板后，琴弦共振混响的声音特别大，基本上踩着踏板在低音区弹一串琶音，会立刻混成一锅粥，新弹下的键都被淹没听不出来了。

但 Ivory 和 Akoustik Piano 的默认音色就不会这样，明显比 the Grand 2 脆很多，一路踩着踏板也还可以分辨清楚新弹下的每一个音。

但所有这些音源都是可以重新设置的。the Grand 2 关掉 resonance 也可以很清脆；那两个把回音设到最大也是一锅粥。

由于俺从来没碰过舞台大三角，不知道真正的大三角钢琴应该是啥样的？

「该帖子被 moontoad 在 2010-3-5 0:48:25 编辑过」

ycteamo

说白了，这个音源高音区很好，低音区很一般~

moontoad

下面这段话是Bubase官方对the Grand 2的评语，源自 http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=avistg2mario

a) The sympathetic resonance of acoustic pianos is not featured by The
Grand 2. This kind of resonance can be highlighted by the following
experimentation : C, E and G keys are pressed with minimal velocity so
that the dampers leave the strings without them being struck by the
hammers. When playing a strong and detached low C, the strings that
were previously released start to ring. To my thinking, there is
currently no piano simulation featuring this kind of characteristic.
Yet, this effect is used by some contempory music composers, and even
by some impressionist composers (Charles Ives).


b) The sound of the whole set of dampers striking the strings
when you release the right pedal is, in my opinion, erroneous and has
to be corrected. It sounds as if a metallic object was lightly brushing
against the strings, whereas in real life this sound is a dull, heavy
and muffled sound. It is nevertheless well simulated for notes played
individually, when you release a key and the damper falls back down
onto the string.


c) The intensity of the resonance and the quality of the
sustain (CC 64 or CC 146) could be unsatisfactory when playing intense
and very fast passages with the pedal pushed down. There is currently
no digital piano that can compete with an acoustic piano for this kind
of passage. In this case, do not hesitate to set-up the controler at
its maximum value and deepen the effect by using a convolution reverb
that you'll control with the sustain pedal (setup as "all or nothing"),
via Cubase's Generic Remote.


a. the Grand 2不支持“被动共鸣”，即轻轻按住 C E G的键，抬起它们的止音器，再敲低音 C，声学钢琴的这三组弦会共振发声，但the Grand 2没有。所有软音源都没有。

b. the Grand 2在松开踏板时模拟止音器落在弦上的噪声，很假很难听。

c. 我不明白的是标红的这段话。他说：踩下踏板后的共鸣还不够？在Cubase里还要把卷积回响设到最大！！？？在我听来，the Grand 2踩下踏板后快速弹奏的共振已经是轰鸣一片乱七八糟了，Bubase大师们居然还嫌不够？

「该帖子被 moontoad 在 2010-3-5 15:07:12 编辑过」

kukulaz

the Grand 2 的低音还是很不错的

不过它的延音、共鸣 的确浑浊的一塌糊涂

所以一般不开resonance，或者开一点点

当然The grand 2不能跟Ivory象牙相比

三角琴不会这样的（当然要换踏板）

「该帖子被 kukulaz 在 2010-3-6 12:14:09 编辑过」

流星燚雨

The Grand 2我用起来的感觉是很不稳定

Akoustik Piano 稳定响应快

yannleo

the grand 2本来从听觉上就不是设计坐在它跟前弹得

yannleo

the grand 3已经出了，等吧

kukulaz

以下是引用 yannleo 在(2010-3-7 3:01:01)的发言
the grand 3已经出了，等吧

非常期待，希望有惊喜

moontoad

以下是引用 yannleo 在(2010-3-7 3:01:01)的发言
the grand 3已经出了，等吧

目前还没见下载，也没见有D版卖。十分期待啊

taoyiming1981

个人感觉the grand 2中低音还行 高音有点假！ 个人认为，它的共振模拟的有些夸张了。虽然机械钢琴也是很混的，但是不是那种混。